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Seldom are men blessed with times in which they may think what they like, and say what they think.
Tacitus, 1st Century Roman Historian

Friday, 11 March 2011

Why I'm not a Christian

So this post is in response to Brenton’s big question on how I became an atheist. That was quite some time ago, and I’d like to say that it’s taken me this long because I have been deep in thought for the last 6 months, pondering my entire belief system and even my very existence! However that wasn’t the case… As is so often the case with writing (in my experience anyway), life gets in the way and my blog posts have been the unfortunate victim. That said though, I have put a great deal of thought into the subject and hopefully can shed a little light into my thought processes over my ‘conversion’ to atheism.

In my personal experience I haven’t really believed in anything with too much enthusiasm. No horoscopes, homeopathy, astrology or anything like that, so I have very little point of reference to compare my experience to. I’m going to attempt to put this in a context that everyone may be able to relate to, so I’m going to compare my belief in god to a belief in Santa…

This isn’t meant in any way to trivialise the influence god has on other people’s lives, but merely used as a comparative device to get my thoughts onto paper...
The belief in Santa is instilled from birth, used not only as a device by parents to make children behave in the lead up to Christmas, but also as a means to add a little magic and fantasy into Christmas for children. Neither of these I see as such a bad thing, especially for parents with excitable children. However this is of course based on the premise that all rational adults know that Santa doesn’t exist, and that one day in the foreseeable future their children will also come to this same realisation.

Santa was an easy thing to in believe as a child. All of my peers had the same belief, as did (or so it appeared) every adult I knew, and there was a tangible reward for believing in him under the tree every Christmas morning.

As we started to get older our parents used increasingly elaborate devices to keep the ruse alive. One year Mum ‘ran into’ Santa on a late night toilet run, another year (when we were starting to suspect) while we were at midnight mass our parents had our neighbours come to the house to leave the presents, write a note and even eat some the snack we had left all in the hope of keeping the belief alive.  

However there was no stopping the inevitable…

Once word had gotten around at school that Santa wasn’t real: which firstly introduced the possibility that an alternate truth to what our parents had told us even existed, and secondly shifted popular opinion (in my small world anyway) from one that believed in Santa to one that didn’t, the belief system started to break down. My rational mind started to think of the wondrous, yet unrealistic, things Santa accomplished in one night, and so eventually my belief waned and eventually vanished.

I don’t remember the exact point I stopped believing in Santa, and I’m not sure if there was even an exact point or day where I was told he didn’t exist. But I do know that I no longer believe.

Comparing a belief in religion to a belief in Santa may offend some people, but to me similar thought processes and principles applied, although given that these are on wildly different scales both intellectually and in terms of the time it took me to come to a conclusion.


So here goes with my personal experience of how I became an atheist…

A belief in a Christian God was also instilled in me from birth. I was baptised as a baby, and went to our local Catholic church regularly as a small child. My direct family were all Christian, my Dad’s side of the family devout Roman Catholics and my Mum’s side of the family Christian in what I like to call the traditional Australian sense of the word (a belief in a spiritual God, but without disrupting a BBQ and a good drink on the weekends). We lived in a nice suburb on the outskirts of Perth, Western Australia where religious diversity was about as prevalent as a UFO sighting. I attended a Catholic Primary School (Grade school for all you Americans out there) where we attended mass every Thursday and had a Religious Education class twice a week to learn about the glory of god, the perils of sin and the devil and the importance of living a good Christian life. I took my communion and confirmation with the Catholic Church while at primary school and was even a member of the school choir for a few years. A better Catholic upbringing you couldn’t ask for…

High school was a bit of a different story, Brenton and I went to a secular public school where religion wasn’t the main focus of school life. However my belief wasn’t changed, with so much else happening in life as a typical adolescent there was very little interaction with and almost no emphasis on religion and life moved on as usual. In my early years at high school I attended a few ‘youth group’ nights at the local Baptist church, and while I went mostly because it was what all my friends were doing at the time, when the subject turned to god the discussions only solidified my belief in what I already knew to be true.

Up until this point I had not met (that I can recall) a single person that was not of the Christian faith. No one had challenged my belief, nor did I have any reason to believe that there was a truth other that what the Christian faith had taught me, I was in a world much like the world I was in before the word about Santa got out. Everyone believed the same thing; no one challenged that belief, so there was no reason to believe otherwise.

Around about this time in my life my parents got divorced, which as a 13/14 year old wasn’t as traumatic as many people (including my parents) think it was, however it did result in a few changes in the relationship I had with my parents. One of the products of this was that my Mum and I started making more of an effort of finding things that we could do to spend time together. One of these things turned out to be a 4 week meditation class with a Buddhist monk. I’m not really sure what drew me (or Mum for that matter) to this at the time but I remember being pretty excited to experience the nirvana-like state of a meditation guru like I had read in the newspapers. I of course never got anywhere near this level, but I did pick up a few relaxation techniques that I still use to this day.

The class was as much about the Buddhist belief system as it was about the actual meditation and the monk running the class always held a Q&A session at the end of each class where we could ask him whatever we wanted, either about his religion, meditation or life in general. Now as I took those classes over 10 years and many, many beers ago the exact questions and answers I cannot remember. However what I do remember is always being impressed by the knowledge and wisdom of this guy no matter what the question from the entirely Christian audience. I remember numerous occasions where he was asked a question (and being the awkward teenager I was, none of the questions came from me) and thinking to myself ‘How is he going to get out of this one?’ but he would just take a deep breath and calmly answer whatever was thrown at him in relation to the Buddhist teachings. So here was this perfectly sane human being, albeit in slightly stranger clothes than I was used to, living a happy and fulfilled life with a completely different belief system to the one I held, and the only one I had experienced.

This was of course my first extended interaction with someone of the non-Christian faith, and was somewhat of a revelation to me at the time. These were the first conversations I had ever had about religion that even hinted at the fact that the Christian God wasn’t the only one out there, and it introduced me to the possibility that a belief in Christianity wasn’t a prerequisite to leading a normal life. So, much like when I heard the whispers about Santa around the playground, the cat was out of the bag and while I probably didn’t realise it at the time, this set me on the path to atheism.

Now I didn’t go out and covert to Buddhism the next day and devote my life to the pursuit of eternal enlightenment. I was still a teenager and went about my teenage life with not a whole lot gained from the class except a new found respect for the Buddhism faith, and a few new ways to get myself to sleep if I was anxious over exams. My life continued as I think is the case with most people, regardless of age or religious beliefs: without too much thought on the subject, and no real reason to challenge my existing belief system. I sometimes compare this, somewhat morbidly, to thinking about death. Death scares the shit out of me, and I have no problems admitting it. The thought of not existing is something that if I really think about I find difficult to comprehend. That said, I don’t really think about death all that often and my life will continue to plod along quite happily with me completely ignoring the subject.

So my life, and my belief in Christianity, went along quite happily for a few years without me sparing a thought for religion at all. Being a young male in a secular high school, where we were far more interested in girls, sport and drinking than anything else, discussion of religion rarely came up, and this suited me just fine.

University in Australia was much the same story; I had guys in my degree that were Muslim and Hindu, but studying in the socially inept field of Computing, discussion was hard to come by at all, let alone a discussion about religion. However, in my 3rd year of University I was accepted on an academic scholarship to go on exchange to the University of Minnesota, Duluth in America. This was the first time I had travelled by myself out of Australia and was somewhat of a coming of age for me.

Before heading up to Minnesota, I met up with Brenton who at the time was studying Theology and Youth Ministry at the University of Saint Marys in Leavenworth, Kansas. Now this was proper Christian country, if ever I needed a place to push me from the brink of atheism surely this was it??

I went to church with Brenton a couple of times, met all Brenton’s (mostly Christian) friends and thoroughly enjoyed my time there with not a bad word to say about the people I met or the experience as a whole. However I was starting to realise that I didn’t really agree with what some of these guys were saying, not just the political aspects of their belief (I vividly recall untoward opinions on homosexuals) but also the fundamental religious belief.

Looking back there are probably a number of things I can attribute to this disillusionment, the first one being that at the time I was studying in a very practical discipline, one where things were either right or wrong, there or not. Being in this mind-set coming to Kansas, with this being really the only other time I had seriously thought about religion since my meditation class, it highlighted to me the fact that the belief in an omniscient, omnipotent being in the sky wasn’t really something I could take seriously. Secondly was the vigour with which Brenton’s friends and their community held their belief. I had come from a culture where religion was pretty much a non-issue, so much so that I hadn’t had a conversation even in passing about religion for a good couple of years, and been thrust into one where it permeated every aspect of life. It was a little overwhelming to say the least.

I went up to Minnesota with a nagging religious doubt in my mind, which was soon overwhelmed by the excitement of being alone in a different country experiencing college life in America. One of the classes that were compulsory for exchange students to take was the Cultural Studies class. It was pretty much a chance for the students at UMD to pick our brains about our cultural differences and those of the different nationalities in the class. While these classes were essentially organised social lubrication, it did again remind me that there were other religions in the world, and there were perfectly sane, normal, happy people practicing them. This solidified the doubt I had when leaving Kansas pushed me further down the path of atheism.

After leaving Minnesota Brenton and I went down to Dallas, Texas for Christmas. Once again I met a bunch of Brenton’s friends and once again I haven’t met nicer people in my life and I thoroughly enjoyed my time there. There is however one memory that stands out from that trip: while visiting the church of one of Brenton’s friends I asked about the massive nursery/crèche area for younger children and was promptly quoted statistics of how children are more likely to be ‘saved’ at a younger age than later in life. This really hit home for me and draws some parallels to the Santa rant I started this post with. If a child is introduced to a belief from birth, and that belief is never truly challenged by removing themselves from a closed community where that belief no longer holds true, then what is stopping them from plodding happily through life holding that same belief?

I returned to Australia an atheist.  
Nothing I’ve encountered from that point on has challenged that belief, and I doubt that very much will.

All that said, I think I’ve probably taken up enough of your time now…
I thank you for the patience to read all the way through and hope that I’ve given some insight into how I came to be the way I am.

I also hope that if you are reading this and haven’t seriously thought about your religious orientation, regardless of what it is, please take a minute or two to think about it or discuss it with someone that doesn’t hold the same belief as you. You may be surprised with what you discover…

Comments welcome as always…

Jake


5 comments:

  1. Hi, Jake. My name is Christy, and I have met Brenton briefly here in Texas (Hi, Brenton!). I saw this blog posted on his page, and my curiousity won out. I do have a question. I wondered if it is God you are disillusioned with, or is it his people? From what you wrote, I heard you admitting that other people seem to experience God in some form or fashion (and you don't appear to deny that it's possible)whether Buddhist, Christian, Hindu - whatever. It almost sounds like it's not so much that there can't be/isn't a God, but how can I possibly find him amongst so many choices? And what if I'm wrong? Maybe it's easier just not to choose. And if I choose the Christian God, will I become like these Christians I've seen around me - the ones I don't agree with? All I can say is that we are a broken, blurry mirror of who he is - and everyone of us fails to show you what God is really like. Anyway, thank you making me think and for sharing this. :)

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  2. Star EgglestonMar 12, 2011 08:19 PM

    Hi Jake,

    It's been a long time! I am fascinated by your post. I have learnt more about you in the last few paragraphs than i would have if we'd caught up at the pub :)

    I had the exact opposite upbringing as you. I grew up in a family that was not "anti" religion, but certainly not pro religion. I went to church for other peoples weddings and the occasional funeral. I can literally count the times i went into a church before the age of 18. I wasn't baptised, my parents left the choice up to me, knowing that if i was like them, i would probably not be religous and for good reason. I questioned why my friends even bothered to go to church at Christmas and Easter. I read the bible, section by section throughout high school and questioned how much of it is real events and how much of it is a guidance system for those that need help finding their way.

    I went to the same youth group as you and remember thinking, why do i come here? I only went for my friends, if the same event had happened in a scout hall i would have attended just as reguarly. I remember one distinct evening when the youth group member asked us if we believe in heaven and hell. He then asked us if we believe in recreation and "coming again". He told us that those who don't believe should stand on the left of the room and those that do stand on the right. I was undecided so i stayed in the middle. He then went on to tell those children on the right side of the room that recreation doesn't exist and if they keep believing in it they will go to hell. I immediately questioned him and asked, what about me, i am undecided. He proceded to tell me that i had time to be saved. I never went back and am glad i didn't. I don't think that people of the church have any right to tell other people how to live. Control young adult relationships through guilt, placing time restrictions on marriage, even controlling how many children a family chooses to have but insisting on abstinence. can't people decide for themselves and ask their god for guidance if and when they feel the need for some?

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  3. Star EgglestonMar 12, 2011 08:20 PM

    I have been travelling around the world for 12 months and have been to several highly religious areas of the globe. From Hindu influenced Nepal and India to the extreme Muslim nations of the middle east to mixed bag Europe and finally Mormon focused Utah. I have never had so much religion in my face as the last 12 months. I have had people avoid my eye as an unmarried female in India, spit on the street in disgust at my bare ankles in Jordan, ask me to wear a shawl to cover my arms in a temple in Turkey and shake their head when i swore in the supermarket in Utah.

    When religion crosses the line and starts hurting other people or affecting their life, the question has to be raised, is religion good for us after all?

    I don't believe in anything but being a good person. I suppose i like Buddism and the idea of Karma as a way to guide me through my interactions with others. I met an extreme born again christian at an engagement party last year and was told that homosexuality is a disease that can be cured and that dinosaurs lived at the same time as man and that the world is only 7000 years old and scientist invented carbon dating to trick us. I swear i nearly throttled the guy for pushing such blatant crap on me! But i thought Karma would sort him out and one day he'd try to convert a proud gay scientist who would deck him and make him rethink his pushy actions.

    Religion is a personal choice and your relationship with god should be private. I don't go around telling people i did a big poo last night....that is private. Why do people feel the need to tell me about their religious beliefs when i think it is a personal matter.

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  4. Star EgglestonMar 12, 2011 08:21 PM

    I don't care what religion people are or what they do in their religion, but i do care if they use religion as a sheild and say that all other religions are wrong and they should believe in the one thing. Almost evey religion in the history of the world has killed people from another religious belief in the name of their god. Buddism is the only religion that can claim they have never 'killed for thier beliefs". Isn't religion about being good to thy neighbour etc??

    I have read most of the Qur'an and some of the scientology texts. I am thinking about reading the book of Mormon next. As a non religious person, it is amazing to compare the similarities of all these texts from an unbiased point of view. If religious people could just wake up and realise that the only important thing in life is being happy and having love in your life, i think a lot of the worlds problems would be solved.

    There are good parts of every religion but i also believe that their are bad, oppressive parts too. It is 2011, can't we all just accept that people deserve to be happy, regardless of what they do, say or who they sleep with.

    Thank you for sharing your story with me, i was there when you parents went through the divorce, but i never knew the after effects that it brought into your life.

    Hope to catch up soon, keep up the blogging, it is a wonderful way to communicate.

    Cheers,
    Star.

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  5. Jake,

    I applaud your call to serious examination of worldviews. Socrates said that the unexamined life was not worth living. However your underlying assumption (I've noticed it in some of your other postings) of a belief in God being merely a product of cultural indoctrination ignores the reality of the lives of people such as C.S. Lewis, Francis Schaeffer, Josh MacDowell, even an Anthony Flew, and of course my own. Where the starting points were either complete unbelief in God or at least an honest rejection and questioning of all presumptions eventually leading to at minimum a rejection of atheism as a valid explanation for reality and in most of the above examples an embracing of the Gospel message. Whether or not you every do, honesty compels the acknowledgment of the possibility of coming to an acceptance of the existence of God through a rigourous and open examination of the evidence and a complete reexamination of preheld beliefs.

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